6 but I heard it frequently that he was deficient. I am not so certain but that I heard James & Alexander Newman speak of it at other times. Another thing that impressed it on mind was hearing that he was sold some time after these conversations & recollecting what James & Alexander had told me, I thought that maybe Phillips had got a dear bargain. By same - When, where and in whose presence did those other conversations occur in which James and Alexander Newman made those repetitions to you? Ans: I would not pretend to say where or when or who was present. We frequently met. By same - Is there any unpleasant feeling existing between you and Alexander Newman? Ans: There was not with me. Some 15 or 18 years ago we had a difficulty which was forgotten by me, I do not know how it was with him. We have had no other difficulty. By same - Had not Henry Phillips an opportunity of knowing this negro as well as you or James or Alexander Newman? Ans: I do not know - he might have had, but I can not tell. I do not know that I ever saw them working together previous to the sale. By same - Where & with whom did Bill live when you knew him? Ans: He lived with old Mr Newman a good part of the time. By same - Was Alexander Newman in the habit of visiting his father's at that time? Ans: I think so - he lived a short distance, say 1 1/2 miles, off, & suppose he still got to see him. He lived off to himself for about the last 15 years. By same - You say you were acquainted with Bill: from 7 your own observation previous to his sale to Phillips, what did you think of his soundness & what did you think was his value? Ans: I am not judge enough to say any thing about the soundness of a person, particularly a black person, unless I saw him lying down sick & knew him to be sick. I never saw him exercise himself to shew his manhood. I am no judge of the value of negroes - he looked like he ought to be worth a good deal. By Same - What was his reputation as a man of strength and a good hand? Ans: I believe that it was generally thought that he was a very good hand to work. I don't know that I ever heard any thing about his strength. By Same - Did you ever hear Phillips, after he purchased Bill, but before Bill was taken sick, say any thing in regard to his strength and value, or express himself as satisfied with his purchase? Ans: I do not recollect that I ever heard him say any thing about him. And further this deponent saith not Michael Eavey The above named witness claims his attendance.
Shem Heatwole, a witness of lawful age, being first duly affirmed, saith Ques: by plffs counsel - What did you hear Philip Dietrick say at Hugh Dever's respecting the negro Bill's health or soundness, after he (Dietrick) understood that Phillips had purchased him? Ans: I heard him say that the negro was not sound or was not well. He said that he was not a hardy negro, that he couldn't stand hard work. By same - At what time was it?